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welcome backck t rachelel maowow gogoodveveni, rachel. >> good evening, keieith it's very ninio be back.k. anank u very much for that.t. and thank you at homomeoror tung in tonighght. sararah lilin s been by since i have been gone, as h ha mark sanford. d mk mckinnon and anna marie cox will representntreview that news.. al franken is senatotorial f fnn day and senenoror amy kobobucr will joioiusus to discuss thahat fact. anyou will not b beeve what lilical group is haavi an ououting,, so to speak, atanan n john ncert. iry ahead andmuch, much more.e. b but weeen tonight th the s sarahalal i quit ararication tour. gogoveor palin, of course, g gae her surpriri regngnion speech la in the day on friday, rightt before t t j jul 4th holiday weekend. the speech did make clear that she was not goingtoto ru for rere-eleioio and that s w was stepepngng dn from herjojob as governor, , evenhohoh there was ilill year and d hahalfeft in heher first tm.m. but the speech, frankly, raised mo questions t tnn it ananswed. lilike w was she quitting?
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maybe tempting and more cocomftable to just kind off k e your h headowow and plot along and appeaseththe who are demanding, hey, just dn and shututp.p. but that's a woworthls,s, easyc ou that's a qutetes wayout. >>o to avoid the quter's way t,t, t governor announced she e was quitting. because only quitters s say ththeijojobs. ititoeoes t appearrtoto have escaped goveveororalin that her long statement on frididayauause some confufuonon. it also appearss thathe is concerned a abou thatconfusion she has n followedpp those friday rmamas withh t tull rorounds attttptpts to clarify wh i it s that she actually said on friday. yesterdayy gererno palili dispspatededurrogates to telell reporters that herer resisignio is now d desigd d help the pelele oalaska, by her leavingng office halfway throuough h f fst term. today yet another day y clclaricicatn. intervieie b by e governor
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herselel with nbc and abc and cn and fox newswsndnd "the anorore ilily new" " l icicki closely to the s sam talking point that she saidonon friday, only quiuiererstay inheir bs. onlyfifighrs have the courage quit before the job i is nene. >> condititionththat realal chananged a askska in the popolitill a arena sinceauaugu 29th,, since i was tappedo run for vp, inings changngand it was itite obvious that n noing would ever be t same for our administration. we spend mostofof our day feinin offf fvovolo wwsus. itasas been cting our atate mimillio o o dodolls.s. it's cost toto a and me, y you , the adversarieses wldld love t see e quitnn a p pa of peonon bankruptcy. evevertime we do something, we getitit withnn ethics viviolioin charge or aa lawsuit. beususthat's the political game that'ss being played right now, even n ouough we won eve ngnglene of them thahass been thrown our way. >ouou haven't finishedd e jo, some would say. >> you're nott listening to m as to why i wouldn'n't b be able t
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finish that t fil l ye in offifi without it costing the atate millions of dollarsndnd countltless ururff w wased time. i don't need a titlele be theh one to usher inhh it is that needed be d done in our statet d d inur country. >> are you running f for presidn in 2012? >>on't know what e fututure holds. i'm nonogogoin to shutut any do that -- whoho knows wt doors open? n't predict w wha the nextisis n'n's ing tololo like down hehe s s i ceertnlnlyanan't predt t at's going to happenn in a couple of years. i k kow ttt know t tha i know this is the righght ining r alas.. i am a fighter. i thrive on alallee. >> govovnonor,f that is thee right road for alaska -- y yea >> -- isist t a ngerous road for u u be labeled in thand of tough people a qtter? >> i'm'm crtrtnly not a quitter. i'm a ghghr, andhahat why m doioing this. the difference betetenen governor ppal's long, confusingg statememenonon fday aboutterer reasons forr resigningg a and today's five separarate intervis on the same subjecect s s noa substantnte e dierence. as y you hrdrdher argument
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remamain steadfast in t the fcef reason that only q quiers stay in their jobs. at e's no quitter, she's s a fighter and only f fhthterhave e e urage to quit beforee the job is done. the difference e twtwee this last round of carifying interviews a and the initialal statement o on friday w wot a difference of substance. it was a a differerence of styl. the governor turnining t tfolks faororp toststun by conducting alall ve intervieie i in really, really nice pairff waders that frfrany, i envy. these are icice, but -- you knowow, a a we coconserer t future of ththe reblblan party and the placeef teieir folksks nfusing, vice prerededentl nominee inin thatt fufutu, it's easy too g stopped by the bibizae stage craft, by ee confusingheheline on this ststor i'm notight quitta quitter. atat why i quit. beyond thatheadline, right,,ndnd ththe getup is thehe argument t she'smamaki toer many looya supporters about why they should
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hope that thisisist thend of her political l caerer why leaving g blblicffice to movove onto an unspecified, hghgh litical callingng should be seen as a princncleled me.e. lilin papalis s ceral argument today is about why she left t offi, , and it is ththathehere were tooo many peskykyetethi complaintnts led against her. e told "the anchorage dadaily news" thatathehe spends mostff rr day, each day,y, othth fr frivivo frivitit that's herer tm m fothe frivolols s etcsomplaints againsther. ththe problem, wwhat she's reresiining,new ethic complaint ar ill beieing fid against he yesterday a cplplai omom a ceaiaigodfly in alaska t palin wasgigivi a perdeup in the state to livet home in wawasill ratherhahan at the ofoffici r ridence in jujuo.o. those c comaints have been made by las cans in t the past, b as of this ee they are officiaial ethicscomplaints. the e ehihics allegations a not ining away. whenuestioned b by abc news whheretetcs c colalain
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wouldn't'ttitille a distraction if she wasas ectctedo an even ghgher offifice, as say the esesency, sarah palin haddhihis rerespon.. she said, ququot i i think on natialalevel your department of law there in thehehihiteouse would d looktt this, thehings we have been chchargewiwi and autotomacacallthrow them out. your departmenent l lawhere. in thehe wtete hse. i c cat help you. i i dot know what she's talkini about. terms of what it meaeaor thee future t the republican party, w what sarah h pann i esntially creatiting rghgh now is a post elected official persona, that isis defined byy firsteein a victiti o of e libell media. and that's a very tradiditialal coconsvative orodody. but shshe' adding somethinin n to hihi ee ea that these hics complaints s isis the proxsys by w wchch c ctizens ho themselves accountable a are ththemlvlves victimizinggoo h as aololitian. if sarar p pal is going to bememe important person in t the future of theoonsvative movevementr r e republican party, whatill her followers believe n? whwiwillhey follow her?
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theyonon nessarily be ti-stimulus people like e mark nford's followerswowoul have been. theyeyououldtnenessarily just beanti-mainstreaeam media pele like r rh limbaugh's followers. they would aprerely be anti-ethics peopop?? it's strae.e. rarah lin has d dcicide to ee on the hill of there a a t too many ethics s compinin against me.. no politician or political l leader has been boonough t make the anti-i-acununtality grounds, the groundsds on icic they will l ta t the stand. unl now. joining usnono is markkckinnon, a f forrr mediadvisertoto foerr presidenen g geoe w. bush and jo mccain. he w worketotorepare heroror the vice presisidentl l debate. mamarki'm sorry i'm doing thisi inrview in adads. ii pepe you will indulge me. y youaugh at the waders, raraelel, t will you finally ggt a whole new demographihic of viewers. he we are with another installment of repubublica g ge wildld. we had somee really crazy press conferenceces. first mark sanford, w w waxeddon about the stress of fighting off
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the stimulus p pacge when it turnedut the r rea stimulus package wawas i in his pants. and then we havee s sarapapan mixing her metaphphors about de fish going with h eelow and point guards,shshoong for the basket and howuitting isn'n' reallylyretreat. so i'm k kndnd ofdizzy. t i have to tell you thhat i in herr waderss day, it was prty -- there is a whole segment ofofmemeri out theree thatat lkk at herr in her wader ouout the e d they're saying, go, sarahah, go. and it's r rmarkable that ty'y' really dififfentnt mhgz out there that seeeethth on differen terms. but i think ththenene thing we c alal agree on, o on this issue h alaska is the e winner. i i thk sarah papalin agrees wi that too apparently. it's alaskaaand tiina fey, i guess. >> i don't mean to oo pepersalal aut thisis but this s my first dayay b back from vaca and i ququite lerally did spend my vacation fishing. but yet i'm thth lerer m med elite, yououknow. i'm talkiking toou fromew yoyork. i'm gay. my name is rachel s people
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ink i'm jewish, and'm'm very libebel.l. i'm the targetthh itomes toto whwhatshe's explainingg about what's wrong with erica and whdoesn't get rr and whothth realal amecaca is, who underst who she is. t thk thettag craft sortff falls flat. but you think itill wk?k? >> i i just think there's's a lf people out th who f fe peecuted. yoyo knono m may sarah palin ca ststt the persecution movement now. things really go south o over the nextxt cole of yes, ththe'e' goingo o -- t trere already arare aotot of people o ththe e buan incncreas number p peoe are going toeeeel like e e vernment's after eem, they'r're bngng tatad,d, whatev and sasarah lili you ow, could come a -- an icon ofhat momoventnt a people whwh fel that rsecution. d d i ink that's a b part o of her r base already. so i think that, youknow, couple t thing she may y be crazylilike a fofo shmay b be crazierr tha an arere of snanakes. but she's going to b b crazy buy onon t political radar scrcrnn for a long timee to ce.e. >> ththersecution issusue,soso
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d driing down on t ttt is really why i w wand to talko o you about thisis tonight, mark. fefeelike the i idea - -- politicians sort o harnessising thedea ofpepeop feeleling wrgeged ther by their government or some o other largr forces at work, demogrgraphi changes, any s sorofof thing. 's right down t the ddle of american politicacal traradiono. i d feel lee governor palinin is adngng sething new to itt or yiyi to saying whatat se'e' ining persecuted b b i ethics complaints. lilitelly citizen-driven effffos to getting accouountililit from eir politicians arerehehe thinis that are persecuting her. is ttt polititicayyimportant?? is she sayaying that should be centerpiececofof t f fure of publican politics? >> it's a c card that's's nevern pled before. wewe wilsesehow it plays. anwe do have to say thatatalal but t onee of those complaints e been dismissed, andererinly a t ofitit was because ofher presidential b.. butt it's -- it w wildssssnd unnventional and that's whwhat sararah lilin isis and d she' f fcicinang and
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pepelelexi, but that's why -- at's why we're talkiki a abt r. >> youou kw,w, i k kno that you wrote on "the daily beast" abobt the way y uu wedescribed in todd rrdus piece in "vanity ir" last week, andouou w we veve specific to the excepept about which you wowoeded with hr in prepariringoror theeete with -- with j joe biden. purdum said ththatoo people who worked with plin l literlyly coconsteted eefefinion of rcrcisstic personality sorder in order to try y to understand herer i don't want you t to tr to vouh fo anything elelse eee h has sa. t from the time thatouou wowork with her, do you thkk it's possisiblththathe's a little ofoff? she's strarae e anunedictable, t t doou think she's lititeral a little wrong?g? not more than 90% of p pplple who are inin politics. if iouould just clarify, i was asked to go run sararapapalis debabate epepation. i t toldd theampaign i coululdn because of a pledgee i said i dididn w wanttoto bn n he generl election campaignttttacng presidenent oba.a. they appealeled me, and i saidd
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what i wouldld do is go for th hours one daday a just somee basic datate 101 i in talking aboua a re positive message, but agreedd wouldn't participate in anyiscussions ababou attackikingama. but, you know, i s two thihiss in t threeours that rere pretty coelelli. one is justst she's feearssss a shshss irerebly compmpetivive. but at that momentshshwas very vuvuererab, too, because s s knknew shee wasn't prepared.. i memean i was liketaking somemebodyffff the street andnd yiyingou're goingo takehehe mcats tomorrow.. that's sort ofhahat it felt li. i left t trere a went back to austin and w wated the dedettes five d days later and i s shocked. sh e eeeded expectatatnsns. granted, thehey rere l. listen, i j justthink aot of people make the mimiake of underestimating heher dd laughig at her and counting her ou i don't know if f e'e's ing to rurufor president orotot but shshe'got a lot leevegege now. e's going to have a lot of platformrmanand options to haven impact on repububcacan politics >> well, i'm not underestimatig ththimpact of those waders. atat my new gming o on e air. thksks, mak. apprececiatet.t. >> thanks s fo hingme, rachel.
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>> mk k ckckion, of course, formrmer miaia adviser foror presesidengegeorge w.ush and senator johnhn mccn.n. governrnor p pal and sanfof and s senoror john eign all have more in common than beiei freseshly seemingly unviable publicans for the 202012 esesential acace. but t the are also three h he building blockck o of what use be t the conservatiti republica base. whwhatappens to themfftehihi ryry sange summer in t t adlines for each of them?? anna marie cox joinsns unenext. bubut, first,,neneore thing about the soon t b be former governor of alaska. rrecision quit her jojob apappes to be both isis and oprtunity f saapalin's political actionon cocoittee. 's a isis-tunity. t theay of the announcement, she made the top 15 gogoogle hot trends.. more people havevebebeen search r name now thann ny time since the last eectn. who's got thth p spot of spspsosore linknks enenev anyboy
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>> it a very specific brand toepublican leadership that finds itself in self-destruction de thissummer. first, of course, there's sarah palisudden decision to resign because only fighters ha the courage to quit before the fight is over. news o herignation turned the spotlight offthe self-destructionf stillouth carolina governor mark sanford. governor sanford performed the gymnastic polical feat of admitting to a life-alteng love story affair while comparingimself to biblical king david and praising the spirl guidance he received while continuing h affairrom a secretive christian fellowship organization that house members of congress at a taxxempt housen wauld called c street. governor sanford received s first measurable punishntor his affair last nig. it's a censure from the lears of the sou carolina republican party. th are not calling for his resignation. they are justsayin
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governor, bad. governor sanford's ailings, you ght also recall, eclipsed the rst big conservative republican scandal othe summer. that would be seto john ensign of neva, who out right wingedr. sanford by actually living in at scrive tax-exempt christian fellowship house on c street in whington and out-faing senator nford by confessing an affair not just with some lady in argentina but to one of her staffers and t putting her teenage son on nation satorial committee payroll as a policy expert. he's 19. at least he was a policy expt until he was -- until senator ensign was de sleeping with the boy'sher, and thenhe boy was let go. senator ensign still has his job, despite having lled on president inton to resign cause of his affair with moni lewinsky, and having called on senator larr craig to resign because of his infams wide stance incident. amon them, sarah palin, mark nford and john ensign, they have left a party perceived to
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be led by its conservative be with aather cruly a occasionally earssing foundaon. what hpens to that base next? we, joining us nowis anna marie cox, national cpetent for air americand contribor to "layboy" magine. anna marie, nice to see you. >> good to be here. welcome back, rachel >> thank you vermuch. thank u r filling me on air america. it was vernice of you thave done so. >> i enjoyed every minute of it. >> in terms of t coervative se oe republican party and their electoral hopes,s it definitely brownback/huckabee 2012? is there anybody el left on the right? >> well, i think we ned to be rylear about this, rachel. it is very early, and although barack obama actuay is probably atypica in even four years before h ran,people were talking about him a possility, that's usually not the way presidentialolitics workand i don't think w in front.ow who is going to be also, think to my mind ensign and sanford were never closer to the presincy until they had, you know, their affairs.
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i actually had never heard of them talked about in any real serious way. so i thi that the ground is still empty for anyone that wants totep in there. >> well, the questn though in terms of how somebody builds up leship credentials in the republican party between now and the next election -- iean, it's hard tonderstand how it wos. i wonder- >> apparently,ou start by signing, you know. >> the first -- >> the builder. >> yeah. what we're seeing from a of the people who appear to be publican leaders, at least like the cirman of the party, for exampl is that moderates are still rlly getting trashe even people like tim pawlenty, who's sometimes praised as a moderate, when you ask him about it, he said no, d't think being moderate is the future of the republican party we have to b conservative a even more cservative as we have been as yet. but i wonder oderates in the party are really being retively empowered these anls just beuse it's not them who are quittingnd
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gettg caught schleppin their staffers? >> think that's probably tue but i alsohi we have to be very careful how we use the word moderate. i think sometimes on the left and in the liral media, it doxist, that merate is often a code word for people that talk like i want them to talk or people who agree wit me. and thk that actually pawlenty, t-pa is a fan of i'm okay with it if you are, hes okayit it. he thoug through his consertive ticonserv conservatismism and think that's what lot of reasons have to do. i think dot ask, don't tell is not a conservative policy. conservatives want t best possible for their country. >> on the issue, though e. of how republics fiit out amongst themselves, you're saying tt you hadn't really heard that ensign or sanfo woulbe a serious contender, a t among rpuicans who you talked to. palin obvusly, even as she is e subject of much derr
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vision, is considered to ba major headline iher party. i wonder if this derr vision and the brouhaha she created is enou to save her career and saord's career. she just taking up oxyge in the room? >> i don' think sanford needed palin to help tem to whatever remains in their caer. reasons are remarkably forgiving of other republicans and i think palin has provided an alternative to the michael jackson coverage for a l of us, which is citing. but othe than that, don't thi sanford affair, unless nford ju got even eirder, that ole story, regardless of politi, is fascinating, wouldn't have stayed on the naonal radar for ve long. agn, they're not incredibly major figures sarah palin is a major figure as she is a big headliner. but i d't know how popular she is. republicans in wasngton tend to kind of sigh and roll their eye when's i talk to them. a white house affe i taed to said he was planning on
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maxing out if sarah palin did run. >> ana marie cox, coributor to "playboy" max zen and friend of the show. tu thank you for comg . still ahead, the senate coverage officially ended today. the sete now has100 mbe, like it's supposed t amy kluchar is here to talk about her junior colleague, senator al franken. and later, we have gob smacking story about former secretary of defenseecretary bebert mcnamara who died this weweeken if you think peopleave hard elings for donald rumsfd, prprepare to identify hard fefeings. buneness more efficiently,
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stilll aheadd al fnken may y have received t longes standing o ovation of h career today after finanally b being s in to the u.s. senat he lled. the s senior citizen from minnesota, a amy klobuchar wiwi join u uin just eight moment. > later, my friend kent jones fills in on what i missed while i was on vacatition. appantly, a lot happened, even beyond that ukrainianan villa trying t to renametself jackson. so kent says. weill see. rst, it's timeme r a few holy mackereltoriesin todayy's news. the last twowo days h have ben almo unprecedentetedly horrrrdous f u.s. a and nato troops serving inn afghanistan. today in the rest ofofhe cotry, a roadside bomb tack on a a mitary convoy tookokhe life of one u.s.s. soldi. this comomes just e day after seven n other s. troops we killedas well as one brititish sosoier antwo canadiananaien
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a helicopter crash in the sosouth, a fire feeet the northeast and two in roside bombings. therhaven't been ten u.s. . d nato troop deathths in aingle day y in almosa year in ghanisn. to add to the toll, the talibann also yesterday poposted on website it claimed th they kidnped an americanoldier whwhdisappred from a combat tpost in eastern afghahanistan last weee e u.s. military hasasconfird that thehe sooldier h been rerted missing, butut theare not confirming the talibib's claim th he's beenencaptured.. thessociated press sasa te taliban's claim does s t ilude prproof th they captured t t soldr or dedetails o wherere he might be heard. the experts ithe west havee beenelling us that as the numberof u.s. troopsps in afanistan inincreases, the pace of opperations should also expectcted to increase andnd th ans we shouould expecincreased sualtie sualti. the war exexperts afghanistan put it a different way. they a always st call the summer e fighting season. next up -- he's footage that youou realldon'txpect to see these days from inside a place like chinana.
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>> get the sense this is going to go on for a while. let's just cut to 30 seconds later. um, 30 seconds more, i think. thislike not hitting t fast forward fastnough on your dvd player. can we skip to a minute later? [ coued alause ] the crowdn the senate gallery todaapplaud for a solid, interrupt uninterrupted,nabashed 2:50 r the newest memb of the united stas senate al franken. why were they all so psych? maybe because th have a suspicthat the arval of the th democrac senator means more of the demratic agenda wilget done in
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congress. ev tugh what happens every day on capitol hill dsn't always makfor big, exciting, massively covered ws, the fct remains that even in e pre-senatorfranken, pre0-seat majority days, president oba has already donetuff on his legislatagenda that would ve been sort of jaw-droppingly landmark if it h happened in the last presidential term. a partial list that presiden obama already signed into law, major w tobacco legislation, unprecedented credit card reform, fincial fraud enforcement, a pubc lands management law that protec 2 millioncres of american wilder necessary. and, of course, there's t $787 billion econic stimulus ckage. there's schip, the state health surancprogram. there's th lilly dbetter fair pay act for eal pay for eagle work. all of these things are really big legiative deals in grand historicalntext and there all already done.
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but there e even bigger deals coming up on the president's agen. there's the tter of the supremcourt nominee, sonia sotomayor. the'the climate change legislation, currently on the table, a version of ich has already passed the house. that means right now the fir time congress has ever dealt seriously with the issue of global warming. and there the great white whale of american legislation, that is health care refo. is al franken the golde ticket to g all of thes things ne? no. t, clearly, there are at least que a few people in washington who think that hisrrival as a u.s. sator is pretty exciting. joining us now is the senior senator from mnesota, amy klobucr. senatorklobuchar, thank you much for coming bck on the show tonight. >> it is great to be on again, rachel. thk you. >> so i'm measurin the excitement ithe senate virtue of how long the interrupted applause went on. what -- was it th exciting? were people as psych as it
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seemed? >> well, the gallery was filled with al's friends and hisfamily and justeople who have been waitinfor this to happen r so lon you ow, the trial lasted long than the lindbergh baby kidnapng trial. it went onor something like -- who's counting -- but 246 days since the day of the ection. so the was just a lot of good feeling for him and just lot of joy inhat roo and alws when anew senator comes in, there's a lot of dignity and sixsix civility in senate. so it s good day. >>efore we get to t big piure of him coming into the senate, t me ask you personallynd as an individl get easiesince you have been b handling the burden of allof the senate repsentation from minnesota? >> wl, our staff, as you kw as i have said man times, i'm so proud of them. i tnk they will continue to do double the work for a b beuse we're not giving our casver to him as hisffice is brand new. but gradually, obviously,
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constituentle less will cl his fice as well as ours. r me, i'm pleased it's over. i nt six mont, rachel, as the only setor without deding to resign in front of a lake or diappear in argenna. so it's a kind of a personal achievement for me. but now th >> but now thahe's there you argoing to collapse and put on waders and quit, rht? >> yeah, i think someg like that. no, ere's a lot of wor to be done, as you pointed out. >> are there specific things that you think can be ne now, now thatenator franken has been sworn in, now that ere are 60 democrats in the senate th maybeouldn't have been done bore? everybody i sayi number 60 isn't the magic mber, but do u think it actually does change the calculus of what might be able to get done? >> it' not a magic nuer because at you have heard from many analysts ndits, we ha two people who are sick who haven't been in the sena. usually ourajor legislation does come with rublican pport, it might be three,ike thimulus package. it might be 30, likeome of the other bills. but it is always helpful wh
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you are trying to push some difficult legislioto haven extra vote. you look at the sotoyor nomination. i personally a not ing to put words in mcoeague's mouth on the other side of the aisle. i'm sure i would think she will get some republicanupport so it wouldn't matt. but aomination like that, if it become highly crged and it iortant for, say, a presidt to get someone in, it's always helpful to have those votes. as we head to these major issues that we're dealing with of energy and health re reform. i wa just up in nohern minnesota, visiting some sma businees there. some people were sing $20,000 for a family of four, an owner of a small backpac company up there that h just flourishednhis little down, and it's getng so expensive, he said hewouldn't have started the business year ago if he would haveknown how much the health care costs we eating to their bottom line. and you he that all the time. so whave to get this done. i'm hopefu we'll do it and i still think at we can easily do it with someartisan
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support. it is a major undertaking. 17% of our economy. other efforts in the past have iled. but we've gotten to the point now and when you look a the wasted costs and what's happening, i know that fro minnesot where we have an excellt model for how you can saveney in health ca, we st have to move forward with this. >> i know that one of the al important political calculation on health carend some of these otr major issue is what conservati docrats are ging to d al franken is widely perceived to be a big-timeiberal because of his associationith air america, which i associated with and some of thether things in his past. i peonallyon't see him as a particularly liberal guy. do you know where we should expect him to be on th conservative/liberal sperum? >> you know, i can'tredict that. i just kno that i thi some of the tional media were thinking he woulbe just some lah riot from the day he stard and i think ey were somewhat stunned about how serious he w about the issues. people in minna, we're ed to tht. he's been debating and talking about issues for quite a while. so i jt know th he's
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buckling down and getng to work. he also understands inhe health care ea, for instae, how impoant it is for minnota to make sure that whatever pla come out, that it really looks at the cost savings that we get in our state, where it's a high quality, low cost state and we want t make sure that the a inntives in place the rest of e country does that as well. >> one lastthing. i don't uslly d this but i haveo do this because i'm back from vacationnd i've you. >> i can't wt to see. >> you know what it is. u made thesetworedictions during appearances on thisshow, and i hve to ask you for a new one given w right you've been. checthis out. >> okay. >> my prediction,rachel, is that we will have a new senator by the time the ice melts on lake win tonka -- >> which is usually pricted april 11th >> april 11th. >> i keep giving you predictions. remember i said it wou be done when the i lted. now, this is my last kitschy
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prediction. >> okay. >> when the corn is knee-high o the fourth of july. anif it's not donby then, yeah, th i'm going to be mad. >> see, i gave you credit for the first prediction beuse on april 13th, the threjudge panel declared that alwon the election. then, of course, norm pealed to the minnesota supreme court and then you made the second priction, which held up really even bter. now i have to ask you t make another prediction. >> go ahea ask me the question. >> how long do you think it will be before senatoral franken agrees t appear as my guest on this show? >> whoa, he has really focused on lol media. so i would gss -- i would prt within a year. anwhat did i say last time? and ifi'm not right about that, i will just be mad, right? >> that's fair enough. we'll see. >>t least you didt say until hell freezes over, which is what i was expecting. >> maybe. >> any time between then. senator amy klobuchar, demoat from nnesota. thank you very mh for coming on the show tonight. and congratulations foryou. >> it was great to be o
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prident obama is on his major diplomatic visit to our frenemy comrad rivals in russ, in addition to forr meings with russia's pesident and prime ministerment our popular president today gave the type of speech that is fast becoming a hlmark of his approach tinternational affairs. addresng a plea for increased understanding between our two countries direct to the russian pele. at least thatas the pla the prlem -- russia's government contrs or heavily inflnces basically allf the tv stations in russia, and only one of those stations saw fit to ver the speech. yestday even obama's joint ess conference with ruian -- th russia's president wa preempted on one station by a
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3 1/2 week-old rerun of an old soccer match. the two radio stations in russia didn't even bother to translate obama's spch into russian. ah, freedom of the press. which still equates in any language to the freem to own the prinng press. of all the things made foromen... maybe e of the most important. and more calcium for bone health.
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>> g gereratns before people like dicick eneneynd donalal rumsfeld and alberto nznzal represented d potiticalightning dsds iamerica, there was former defense secrety robert
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mcnamara, thedefining lightning rod dd of vietn i in this country. he died yesrday at his h home i washington. he w revid during the kekenny andohnson administratis for orchestrinthe escalions of the vietnam war which killed 58,000 americans and miions of vietnase and cambodian he was reviledin later yrs that iwas revead he continued to promote and plan the war ev after he h rsonally concluded as earlyas 1965 that the war uld not be n militarily. he left offic in 1968 and sat by silently while thear went on for sevenore years. late in life, mcnamara publically agonidd about the decisionhe made about the war, mo famouslin thecumentary "the fog of wa" against that backdrop the printed response to mcnamara's death by the great w correspondent joe galloway has caused a stir. under the headline, "reading an obit with great pleasure," he
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writes, theptly named strange robert mcnumber era uffled off to join lbjnd dick nixon in the seven level of he. he described a ferryboat trip he ok in martha's vineyard in 1962. he was apprched by a man who was a local art. th artist, "told mcnamara there was aadio phone call for him on the bridge." mcnamara set down his drink and stepd outside. the artist immediately grabbed him,restl him to the railing and pued him over the side. th is not a etaphor. somedy actually, apparently tried to throw robert mcnamara overboard. joining us now is paul hendrickson, university pennsylvania professorho uncovered the namara ferryboat sty and writes abo it in his book, "the lving and ea the five lives of a lost war."
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mr. hendrickson, thank yofor joining us tonight. >> thank you, rachel. >> did joe galloway accurately recount what happened on that ferry to martha's vineyard? >> yes, aolutely f all ip tents and purposes. i think mcnamara's posion hanging at bart in a slouched, relaxed way, this is what the artist told me. he saidthat alone drove him crazy. the artist saw him from about 20 feet away in this lunch rm and he lked at mcnama and all of thater aut the vietnam war ca up. here was thi guyoing over to e vineyardfor his weekend holidadain his sporting togs and in thisurderous ragebegan awawng up his throat. as the ararti s sai to me, i i n artist, i w wor i i immediate cocontt. you have a a phone cal, please follow me. they got ouside in the barkness and he got mccnama by e
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collar and thee lt buckle dd ied to throw h him over. there weren't any words tween them. exexpt mcnamara said, oh,h,y y god, no. it seemmed to me, rrache that wa the vietnamwar. that 45 seconds of struggle ght there at theraililin >> couou he hve k kill hi > absolutely because it's a a seven-mile passasagennark waters. hehe wld have beenucked under the boat orr ee fall from t t ferry. it's a pretty big boat. the waves would he taken him under. there's ways been forksll of his brilance and maste miminding, there was always a naive quality of mnamara, which i couldld sa i almosos liliede. so when n th artiststaiai to hi please follow meme. the atist later said , i'm an tist, i work in immediate context. even as i was wouking over i did not knowhat i was going ay toto the guy. what caame out o of his uth was
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mrmcmcnamara,ouou have aphone cacallplease follow mm i s spe a a gd deal of time tryingtoto fd him and iueuess i was w woing in my own mediate ntntex he flew up tomartha's vineyard and i foununhis stio and ocockeon his door anan t the he wawas. at ki o o blind, stupid luck s s that? sasaid i can't't go on w wi thi ory unless you are wiwiining talk to me a ande e s. >> university of penennsvavani profesesrr paul hendrickson giving us more reason toto r re he living of the ad." fofo tckckindown that gentleman dd what w we know about mcnamara's stranan an tragicc li, thank you for your timee toninigh s sir >> thank u.u. >> cocomi upn oounown," unund 864 of palin vevers letterman. next on t thishow, my friend ntntones. you have q questions who can give you the fincial advice you need?
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